A new day at the range,this time we put the pins in front of the table wich allowed us to test the effectiveness of different calibers.
First test: Jean-noël with 9mm Luger
As you can see the old 9mm is quite weack for the task but we had a lot of fun anyway.
Second test: alain with 38 super auto shot in a Compensated Tanfoglio "race gun".
Alain is very impressive while shooting fast nearly all shots hit their targets, we recognise an experienced IPSC shooter, unfortunatly this caliber is not enough powerful for the task once again.
This time I used my 45 acp gold cup:
The old 45 was efficient but it seemed I shot too low.
Any advices on calibers you use will be appreciated, please just click the "comment" button and share your knowledge with us.
30 octobre 2006
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Nice shooting with the .45! At the pin shoots that I attend, there are different spots for the pins, depending on the caliber used. Our tables are 4' from front to back, and for .40 caliber and larger the pins are placed 12" from the front endge of the table. For .38's, and 9mm's the pins are placed 16" from the back of the table. For .22LR we saw of the top of the pin just below the red band, and put them on the forward spots. Rimfire is shot as a separate class. Some clubs shoot all center fire calibers together, others split the guns in centerfire into "major" and "Minor" classes by caliber. At my home club we limit centerfire to 8 rounds in the first magazine, but if you have to relaod, the second magazine can have as many rounds as you like.
Some clubs shoot their matches against the clock with the fastest times determining the winner. Other clubs set up two tables side by side and shoot against another shooter. First shooter to get all five pins on the ground win the table. We usually shoot 2 out of 3 tables to decide who is eliminated and who moves to the next round on the elimination chart. The club in Custer, Washington, USA use a double elimination chart so you can lose and be moved to the losers bracket and then work your way up to the final round. It makes it a long day, but you get to do a lot of shooting!
We determine the first round opponents by shooting 4 tables against the clock, then adding the 3 best times for each shooter, then matching #1 with #2, #3 with #4, and so forth down the list. Doing it this way allows newer slower shooters to shoot against shooters of similar skills in the first round.
Keep up the good work!
..... Mr. C.
Impressive shooting! Congratulations!
That's some nice shooting, pardner.
Hello guys,
Thanks for your comments my friends and myself are very proud to be known in USA :-)
Greetings from Nevada, USA. Its great to see pin shooting happening in France!
The venerable "old" .45 ACP just won't go away - it is simply TOO GOOD to fade away.
And the .45 auto may be about as good as it gets when it comes to shooting pins. I also like the .45 ACP in the S&W M625 revolver with moon clips.
Some also like the .40 S&W, and many also use .44 Mag revolvers.
All of our local pin shooting is conducted "shooter vs shooter" (as opposed to "shooter vs the clock." All pins are set one foot (about .32 meter?) from the leading edge of the four feet deep and eight feet wide tables. To win, a shooter must clear all pins from his/her table before his/her opponent.
As you've noted, smaller calibers such as the 9mm, .38 Special, etc, just don't have the oooomph to knock pins three feet and off the table with authority.
Bullet weight seems (to me) to be the most important factor in pin shooting. Velocity seems less important if you shoot big, heavy bullets such as the 230 grain .45 ACP. Just my opinion; others may have different opinions!
For example, our .45 shooters knock the pins off the tables just fine; our .44 Magnum shooters LAUNCH the pins off the tables!
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Hello Varminter,
Indeed the old venerable 45 is good for the task.
So far I haven't seen any difference between 230grs RN ball and 200grs SWC in term of efficiency.
I have been considering using 357 sig for pin shooting but it probably wouldn't have been efficient since bullets are lights.
We tried 357 magnum, it was very good with 158grs rounds but too weack with 125grs.
Did you ever try the 10mm auto ?
I love this caliber but I wonder if it's better than 40 S&W on pins.
I own a glock20c but I shoot so badly with it I can't make a comparison.
I just watched the videos and saw shooters starting with guns holstered, it seems to be funny.
Yes, we have some that shoot the 10mm and it works just fine. Probably better than the .40 but I don't know how much better.
And yes, we draw from holsters.
After each shooter is on the firing line, they are given the command to load. They may take a sight picture, then they holster. Each shooter raises their hands above their shoulders. The Range Master asks "Shooters Ready?" and upon seeing both shooters' hands up, commands "Standby" followed by a start horn. The shooters draw and engage their table of pins.
The pins must be CLEARED from the table. The first shooter who's final pin hits the ground first is declared the winner. The Range Master has to watch closely; occasionally each shooters final pin hits the ground at the same time and the match is declared a tie.
I understand many pin shoots require shooters to start from the "low ready" position. While that is okay, we believe in drawing from holsters.
Note that a Safety Observer stands behind each shooter, within arms reach. The Safety Observer's job is to watch the firearm for signs of a dangerous malfunction (squib load, etc.) and to ensure the shooter does not break 180 degrees or otherwise do anything unsafe.
There is a word document entitled "Safety Observers Duties and Responsibilities" in our website's "downloads" section.
I certainly do love our pin shooting matches. Lots of fun and everyone is very friendly and helpful. At our matches, if your gun breaks or you run out of ammo, someone will loan you their's!
I understand that many pin matches are "shooter vs the clock" and times are recorded. At our matches, shooters are classed by shooting ability so everyone has a chance. The really good shooters are in "Master class", then "A class," "B class," and finally "C class, which is basically for those that need to reload mulitiple times to finish a match. 1st, 2nd & 3rd place trophies are awarded for each class. These matches are for nearly everyone!
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